Show Placings
Cumberland CA Open Show
14th Jan 2018
Judge: Anne Speake
I’d like to extend my thanks to the society for their invitation to judge, to my efficient steward Christine, who ensured things ran smoothly. To the exhibitors, it was a privilege to judge your dogs. Temperaments were excellent; all dogs were entire; and mouths were good. However, coats varied, and some dogs paid the price.
Puppy /
Reserve
Name at show: Ridgebow Two Hoots
Class Critique
A lovely class of promising puppies, I look forward to seeing them in the future.
The Yorkshire, Lancashire & Cheshire Border Terrier Club Open Show
4th Feb 2018
Judge: Mr. J. Todd (Roxess)
I would like to thank the club for the invitation to judge and the hospitality I received. Thanks also to my steward Mr Ian Hopper for his great assistance. Finally thank you to the exhibitors for giving me the opportunity to go over their dogs. I really enjoyed my day.
I was impressed with the quality of the majority of dogs present and although some were top size all placed dogs were easily spanned and had correct bite.. I felt overall movement was good, coats were variable some full and some lacking however in the run up to Crufts this is to be expected. The majority had good pelts which was pleasing. Mouths were generally good most with large teeth but I was disappointed to see many with dirty teeth.
Best Puppy - Dog
Name at show: Ridgebow Two Hoots
Best Puppy
Name at show: Ridgebow Two Hoots
Minor Puppy - Dog /
First Place
Name at show: Ridgebow Two Hoots
Placing Critique
8mth grizzle/tan dog in fit condition moved well both ways with drive from behind. Presented with a quality coat harsh and dense with excellent pelt. Head is strong in correct proportion with good strength and depth of muzzle. Ribs narrow and deep with a strong loin. He showed really well pleased to award him BPD & BPIS
The Border Terrier Club Open Show
24th Feb 2018
Judge: Mrs Jill Stevens (Cobstoneway)
I would like to thank the committee for giving me the honour of judging at this lovely show, and for the warm welcome and hospitality shown on the day. Special thanks go to the Show Secretary Kathy Wilkinson, my two efficient stewards Liz Barrett and Judy Carr, and Carol Mackenzie for a lovely lunch. Most of all I would like to say a very big thank you to all the exhibitors for giving me such a lovely entry, and for allowing me the privilege of going over their dogs. The depth of quality in some classes, particularly the bitches, meant that I truly wished for more top places to give out. However, I was very pleased with my main winners, who all looked as though they could manage a day’s work. Most exhibits were in hard, fit condition and well turned out. All dogs were entire, I found just a couple of kinked tails, and, understandably, there were a few missing/misplaced teeth in the veteran class. Coats were at various stages, as to be expected, and this had to affect a few places as it is not only a necessity on a working terrier, but completes the picture. I was pleased to have some very promising puppies, and at the other end of the scale a wonderful class of veterans.
Best Puppy - Dog
Name at show: Ridgebow Two Hoots
Best Opposite Sex Puppy
Name at show: Ridgebow Two Hoots
Minor Puppy - Dog /
First Place
Name at show: Ridgebow Two Hoots
Placing Critique
Eight and a half month old grizzle and tan dog, who I loved for size and type. He has a good masculine head with flat skull, very little stop, strong jaw and big teeth in a perfect scissor bite. He is narrow throughout, easily spanned, has a straight front, well constructed narrow shoulders, and is ribbed well back. He has a correct double coat with loose pelt and harsh topcoat, and stands on neat, well padded feet. Good angulation fore and aft allowed him to move well for one so young, with plenty of confidence and enthusiasm. Stood alone but a very worthy winner. Best Puppy Dog
Whitehaven & District Canine Association Open Show
18th Mar 2018
Judge: Mr. Stewart Golding (Beaconpike)
This was not my judging appointment but due to adverse weather conditions on the day meant Margaret Armstrong (Carrickfarm) was unable to make the show I was happy to stand in.
Best Puppy
Name at show: TPG1, Ridgebow Two Hoots
Puppy /
First Place
Name at show: Ridgebow Two Hoots
Placing Critique
10month old grizzle and tan puppy. Good head with correct bite, shown in good double jacket with thick pelt, good length of rib and nice carrot shape tail, moved ok. BPIB and RBOB
The Border Terrier Club Championship Show
31st Mar 2018
Judge: Mrs Lesley Gosling (Akinside)
My grateful thanks to the BTC for the invitation to judge the annual Championship show and my thanks to my efficient stewards who were kept busy. I was astonished to see from my catalogue, as I prepared my critique, how far exhibitors had travelled, particularly with the unpredictable weather we are experiencing. Thank you all for coming.
Movement is improving. There are still are some upright shoulders and poor rear angulation. Size is incredibly variable and as this breed has a strong working heritage some exhibits would struggle to get into any fox earth. I would like to see more muscle tone on back ends. The opportunities to work Borders may have diminished, but the breed standard is our template and we should stick to it or we will have classes filled with ‘showing fools.’
Don’t chalk coats to harden them. Your judges will find it. It’s unnecessary - don’t let it become a fashion. A good coat needs no embellishments and good coats on the day were excellent coats. Coats will grow but in the process may miss out on top honours at a Championship show. We all want our dogs to have their best coats on a show day, but the two things don’t always coincide. I also appreciated that coats kept going for Crufts recently had then been stripped out.
Quality and breed type were lacking in some exhibits. Young heads need time at puppy stage but some young males were disappointing. One puppy dog was chronically thin. Puppies should be puppy-ish, carry a bit of weight and be happy in the ring and socialised. The Exhibition Hall is noisy and some pups are phased by unusual sounds, but I’m pleased to say that temperaments were excellent. I dislike seeing youngsters being strung up - dancing on their toes - and having their leads jerked to keep their attention, or to get them walking in a straight line. Try talking to your dog on the move and loosen those leads.
I have expressed an opinion on baiting before, and I will keep doing it until exhibitors take note, or I die pleading. Baiting a dog on the table unbalances the dog, gets in the way of the judge doing his/her job properly when it comes to checking the bite, and distracts the dogs completely. Borders are especially curious of strangers who approach, so the table contest for them becomes ‘bait’ or ‘stranger.’ A judge doesn’t want to waste time getting the dog’s attention away from bait. Practice getting the stance correct on a table without bait. Please - keep your bait until the dog is on the floor.
All males were entire; scissor bites generally were very good but some varied from a level bite, to the odd missing or chipped tooth and a couple of slightly wry mouths, but teeth were well presented and clean. There was just one kinked tail.
The best exhibits were exceptionally good. Eyes were dark and of good shape, bright and healthy. The good coats were tight, crisp and of great texture. Movement was impressive on the whole – straight and true - and almost all dogs were spannable. Sadly, not enough cards to go round and in some of the senior classes of both sexes, there were beautiful exhibits in tremendous condition, which could change places at any time. Their owners are to be congratulated.
RDCC
Name at show: Ridgebow Two Hoots
Best Puppy - Dog
Name at show: Ridgebow Two Hoots
Best Puppy
Name at show: Ridgebow Two Hoots
Puppy - Dog /
First Place
Name at show: Ridgebow Two Hoots
Placing Critique
Loved this boy when he entered the ring. Perfect balance of body length and overall size. Super masculine head and expression; Big teeth and good dentition. At 10 months he is spannable, well muscled but not overdone. Moved out accurately and positively, driving well from a correct rear assembly. Tremendous double coat of good weatherproof texture and depth. Level topline and short carrot tail well set on. I look forward to watching his progress. Delighted to award RCC and BPD.
National Terrier Club
7th Apr 2018
Judge: Mr. W. R. Irving
Thanks to the exhibitors for the entry of 160 from 157 dogs.
There were some very strong classes and interestingly the biggest class was Limit Dog with seventeen entries. My biggest worry about the overall entry was that there seemed be some very large exhibits which were well over the standard size. Even in bitches there were a good number that were too big and in dogs some were enormous. And it was not so much that they were too leggy - rather that so many were far from being able to be spanned. I think we really ought to try to do something about that.
Heads were by and large good but there were quite a few with big ears. Coats of course were variable and I only found one really bad mouth and one kinked tail.
Movement left a bit to be desired especially in front but I was disappointed also that so many were not moving well behind either.
My thanks to my two very efficient stewards which enabled us to finish by around 1 p.m. and to the exhibitors most of whom seemed to take my decisions in the sporting way befitting the breed
Best Puppy
Name at show: RBPIS, Ridgebow Two Hoots
Puppy - Dog /
First Place
Name at show: Ridgebow Two Hoots
Placing Critique
coming on well in head, with good eye and correct ears and enough strength of jaw. OK in neck and topline. Good coat and correct thick skin. Good tail correctly carried. Moved OK in front and strode out well behind. I was pleased to award him Best Puppy in Breed later in the day and to see that he had gone on to win Reserve Best Puppy in Show under the Group Judge.
The Northern Border Terrier Club Open Show
14th Apr 2018
Judge: Ms Judith Fawcett (Carrock)
I would firstly like to thank the Northern Border Terrier Club for inviting me to judge their show and for their lovely hospitality – lunch was very tasty. Thank you also to the committee for their lovely gift. My two stewards, Graham Richardson and Geoff Sugars, kept things moving along nicely – well done. This was my first breed club show and I was absolutely delighted with the excellent entry – thank you to everyone for giving me the opportunity of going over your dogs. As expected coats were at various stages but on the whole were good; only a couple of exhibits on the day had no coat at all. All dogs were entire and there were no kinked tails. There were one or two missing or broken teeth, especially in the veteran class and one or two untidy mouths. I thoroughly enjoyed my day and was delighted with my main winners - I had some really good quality dogs to judge.
Best Puppy - Dog
Name at show: Ridgebow Two Hoots
Best Puppy
Name at show: Ridgebow Two Hoots
Puppy - Dog /
First Place
Name at show: Ridgebow Two Hoots
Placing Critique
10½ month old grizzle with masculine head, flat scull and strong muzzle and large teeth. Lovely deep, harsh jacket and thick pelt. He is spannable with a good length of rib and is well muscled. He strode with confidence and maturity around the ring on neat feet. Sound in front movement, a little wide in the rear. Pleased to award him BPD and BPIS.
West of England Ladies' Kennel Society
28th Apr 2018
Judge: Miss Anita Harrison (Iacheslei)
Many thanks to the society for inviting me to judge and to the exhibitors for a lovely entry of 117 making 151. My very efficient stewards did a marvelous job and kept the ring running well throughout the day. I thoroughly enjoyed my day and was pleased that exhibitors accepted my decisions in a sporting manner. There was a good atmosphere around the ring and all exhibits displayed good temperaments. I was disappointed to see so many large oversized dogs (and bitches) which were not able to be spanned. Movement was also a concern, I was forgiving of loose front movement in some of the youngsters, but both front and rear movement in some of the adult exhibits was poor. Many exhibits had large ears, low tail sets or short round ribs which had to be penalized. I was pleased with my main winners and delighted to see my Best of Breed shortlisted in the group and the Best Special Beginner placed 2nd in the SB group.
Puppy - Dog /
First Place
Name at show: Ridgebow Two Hoots
Placing Critique
11 months old grizzle of nice size, lovely masculine head and expression, Short strong muzzle, dark eye, big teeth and small well set ears. Super coat and pelt. Plenty of bone. Correct turn of stifle. Moved out well on small neat feet whilst holding a level topline.
The Joint Border Terrier Clubs' Championship Show
6th May 2018
Judge: Mrs Melanie Lewis (Tonromel)
Thank you to the Officers and Committee of the Yorks. Lancs. and Cheshire BTC (the host Club for this year) for the invitation to officiate at the Joint BTCs Championship Show and to my two Stewards, Graham Richardson and Bridget Singh, for their invaluable help and assistance on the day. Thank you to the exhibitors for giving me a super entry for the breed of 187 exhibits (includes 10 NFC) making 201 entries, for the privilege of allowing me to judge your dogs and also for the sporting manner in which my decisions were accepted.
The standard in both sexes was pleasing and in some classes there were some strong contenders. There were some very nice youngsters which I thought looked most promising and feel sure will go on to have a bright future. Size of some of the exhibits was rather concerning, although from ringside they may have looked in proportion, hands on they were just far too big.
Front movement continues to be of concern but today there was also some poor rear movement. Heads and Mouths were on the whole good with just one or two with incorrect dentition or a missing tooth. Noticeably some exhibits were quite heavy in ear which detracts from the typical border look. Coats were variable, feet on the majority were good, being firmly padded. All males were entire and the temperaments displayed by the exhibits whilst going over them was good, although I was conscious of a few outside of the ring being rather vocal, especially when other dogs and their handlers passed by.
Best Puppy - Dog
Name at show: Ridgebow Two Hoots
Best Puppy
Name at show: Ridgebow Two Hoots
Puppy - Dog /
First Place
Name at show: Ridgebow Two Hoots
Placing Critique
has a strong head with neat ears, good eye and keen expression. Well muscled, he was shown in the correct jacket, spanned with ease and has a super pelt, good tail and tailset. He moved well on his firmly padded neat feet. I was pleased to award him BPD and Best Puppy In Show.
North West Canine Association Open Show
7th May 2018
Judge: Mr Paul Brannan (Brankell)
Thank you to the officers and committee for their invitation to judge this show, thanks to the 2 stewards for their work and also a big thank you to the exhibitors for entering their dogs under me.
Best Of Breed
Name at show: Ridgebow Two Hoots
Best Puppy
Name at show: Ridgebow Two Hoots
Puppy /
First Place
Name at show: Ridgebow Two Hoots
Placing Critique
11mth g/t dog, with masculine head, shallow stop, strong jaw with big teeth, he’s well balanced, good for bone with straight front, good in upper arm and lay back of shoulder. Has a nice length of rib, and is easily spanned. Good in topline/underline and tail set. Nice angulation with well muscled hind quarters which he used to move well and with drive, in thick harsh coat, well groomed with neat feet. Liked him a lot and was pleased to award him BP and BOB.
National Dog Show
11th May 2018
Judge: Mrs Jane Morton-Shaw (Fehmarn)
My sincere thanks to the Birmingham National Dog Show committee for inviting me to judge at what was my first CC appointment. My thanks also go to my super-efficient stewards on the day. Thanks to all of you exhibitors who gave me an excellent entry, and for your sporting acceptance of my decisions, some of which were difficult, as there were a couple of times when the quality was so good, it was hard to separate them, so I had to look at the minor points to split them.
There were a couple of level bites but no kinked tails. My main grumble were the huge ears on too many exhibits, front movement on many left much to be desired, and a number of exhibits were too big overall making some unspannable. A couple of dogs were badly overweight. All exhibits were presented in good clean condition.
I had a wonderful time and hopefully the exhibitors enjoyed their day too at this well-run show. The icing on the cake was the fact that my Best Puppy in Breed went on to win Terrier Puppy Group 2, and my DCC/Best Veteran went on the win Terrier Veteran Group 2.
Best Puppy
Name at show: TPG2, Ridgebow Two Hoots
Puppy - Dog /
First Place
Name at show: Ridgebow Two Hoots
Placing Critique
A beautiful well balanced grizzle male. Fabulous teeth/bite and pelt. In excellent double coat. Nice size. Carroty tail well set on. Good topline on the move & straight coming and going. Covered the ground well. Well laid back rib & easily spanned. Nice thick pads on his feet. Lovely length of neck well set on shoulders. Love him – should have an exciting future ahead of him. Went on to win Terrier Puppy Group 2. BPD, BPIB, & Terrier Puppy Group 2
The Scottish Kennel Club
18th May 2018
Judge: Mr Brian Aubrey (Jenabeck)
Firstly thank you all for such a nice entry, Secondly thank you to a great steward who single handily run the ring for me. There who some very nice border on view all mouths were good,
Puppy - Dog /
First Place
Name at show: Ridgebow Two Hoots
Placing Critique
a very nice puppy good size, nice head with strong jaw, dark eye, good bone with straight front correct topline, moved vey well lost out for best puppy as his coat was on the blow, but still good enough for best puppy dog
The Scottish Border Terrier Club Open Shiow
3rd Jun 2018
Judge: Mrs J Lilley (Kensing)
What a privilege it was to judge Border Terriers actually at their home in the Borders! Thank you to all exhibitors for such a flattering entry of charming dogs and thank you to all the committee and officers for your welcome, hospitality and generosity. complete with a delicious lunch. Certainly it was one of the best halls that could be imagined for a breed open show with the option to judge outside had the weather been better. I was most impressed with the hard condition of the vast majority of the entry and particularly with the thickness of pelts and short thick carrot tails. There seemed to be a sporting friendly atmosphere throughout to give me such a memorable happy day. I must just add an extra thank you to my helpful steward, Katie Hamilton, and to Margaret Boulcott, for whose great kindness, hospitality and long distance driving skills I was so grateful.
Junior - Dog /
First Place
Name at show: Ridgebow Two Hoots
Placing Critique
scored here on shoulder with excellent tailset and carriage. Has a lovely keen expression in his dark eyes. Rather betwixt and between coats currently. Forceful and energetic on the move
Border Union Agricultural Society
17th Jun 2018
Judge: Mrs Anne Gregory (Remony)
My thanks to the officers and committee of the Border Union Agricultural Society for inviting me to judge today. Thank you also to the exhibitors for giving me, by far, the biggest Terrier entry of the day. A big thank you to my two stewards, Nev and Liz Holmes-Leak, who kept things running smoothly and efficiently thus ensuring that we finished in time for my BOB to make the Group.
Coats were at varying stages, with some in their underclothes, and in some cases this was the deciding factor. Some exhibits were too fine in bone, particularly in the earlier classes. Some heads had ears set too high, some had deep stops with muzzles that were too short which gives a foreign expression. There were more than a few exhibits which would have benefited from having their feet tidied and nails cut. Soundness of movement in some dogs gave cause for concern. If a Border is to be fit for the function it was intended, it needs to be sound on the move. I found varying degrees of unsoundness in front movement from toeing in, crossing in front to paddling and out at the elbows. Hind movement in some exhibits was also less than desirable with hocks too close together when going away, cow hocks, lack of drive from hindquarters and, in some cases, lack of muscle tone. All of which would not allow a Border to be ‘capable of following a horse’ over rugged terrain. On a positive note, I did have some quality dogs to go over and was well pleased with my winners. I was also pleased to see my BOB shortlisted in the group.
RDCC
Name at show: Ridgebow Two Hoots
Junior - Dog /
First Place
Name at show: Ridgebow Two Hoots
Placing Critique
Handy sized dog of good type in fit condition. Masculine head with very little stop, flat skull, strong muzzle, correct bite with big teeth, dark eye, keen expression, stood on straight front legs with good feet, good length of neck into well placed shoulders, narrow rib well laid back, easily spanned, harsh jacket over thick, loose pelt, moved out freely and accurately with good length of stride and drive off well muscled hindquarters. Res. C.C
Blackpool & District Canine Society
22nd Jun 2018
Judge: Mr Karl-Erik Johansson
I was most happy with such a good entry on this my first CC-appointment having had close contact with breed since the early 70s.
Overall size was excellent as was temperament. I was able to span almost everyone although I had hoped for more typical otter-heads. There were some long and narrow muzzles. Bites were excellent and Pelts mostly good for the season.
Conformation and movement coming and going was very good. Maybe I am a bit more concerned about side movement as some who was excellent standing lost the topline on the move.
Best Junior
Name at show: Ridgebow Two Hoots
Junior - Dog /
First Place
Name at show: Ridgebow Two Hoots
Placing Critique
Handsome junior. Ex otter head. Ex conformation and coat. Ex mover.
Goosnargh and Longridge A.S. Open Show
7th Jul 2018
Judge: G McDermott (Macadermus)
Junior /
Third Place
Name at show: Ridgebow Two Hoots
The Northern Border Terrier Club Championship Show
15th Jul 2018
Judge: Professor S P Dean (Tyrian)
Thoroughly enjoyed my day with the NBTC. My thanks to the Committee for the appointment and the exhibitors for their entry of Borders. I was well looked after all day and I would like to express my gratitude to my Stewards who did an excellent job by keeping focused on their task throughout the day. I was extremely pleased with the overall quality of the dogs across both sexes. For those who left without prize cards do not be too disappointed, I saw only one undershot jaw and no dog was out of place in the show ring. My top winners were all outstanding dogs and there were several others who deserve that label who were placed but did not reach the final accounting. Overall heads are very good but let’s be careful not to breed for too much strength in skull. Ensure we balance what we have with equal strength in muzzle and under-jaw and please lots more beautiful large white teeth. Most dogs had the correct outline, with many good top-lines and neat tails. Coats and pelts were generally very good and do not be afraid to show a Border in that rich, thick ,harsh, double coat they are well known for. Generally conformation was correct, with shoulders and stifles showing acceptable angulation. The straight stifle is quite rare, but equally let’s not over do the angulation of the hind limb as that produces weakness. Short hocks go best with correct stifles. Dogs with a length of leg, drive from hindquarters, tight feet and good ribbing did well today provided they had the typical Border Terrier characteristics we all look for. A few dogs are getting a little long in body for a variety of reasons. Some have their shoulder set forwards on the chest, some lack the well ribbed-back conformation and so appear to have long couplings and some have shorter legs than they ideally need. Much of this was marginal today but they are all points to remember as the breed moves forward. I was pleased with the CC line ups and excited by the quality in some of the youngsters coming through. It would have been nice to reward some of these emerging future champions with higher honours but the quality at the top was too much for relatively immature dogs.
Junior - Dog /
First Place
Name at show: Ridgebow Two Hoots
Placing Critique
13mo. Typical head and expression. dark eye, neat ears, good strong teeth. Nicely balanced with flowing lines. Handy size. Well ribbed back. Liked his length of leg and neat tight feet. Good harsh coat and pelt. Correct shoulders and hindquarters with front assembly well under the chest. Covers the ground on the move. Considered him for higher honours.
Leeds Championship Dog Show
29th Jul 2018
Judge: Mr Brian Baxter (Beenaben)
Junior - Dog /
First Place
Name at show: Ridgebow Two Hoots
Placing Critique
A very nice young dog, good head, well placed shoulders, good front, easily spanned, good flat ribs, moved true both ways, will hold his corner up when he matures.
The Midland Border Terrier Club Championship Show
5th Aug 2018
Judge: Dogs: Jimmy Gilpin, Bitches: Hilary Gilpin
Bitches :- Thank you to the committee for the very kind invitation to judge the bitches at your always sunny show, yes it was very hot but all dogs were underneath the gazebo when not being assessed. Thank you to all who exhibited in the hot afternoon sun, we all coped very well.
I've had BT's since 1978 and started showing in 1986, I have meet quite a few friends along the way and judged many BT's, today I found some lovely exhibits as you always do, the downside was so many other dogs really had poor movement both front and rear. Handlers must watch their dogs as bad movement is a no no for me. Coats were mainly good, some with no coat at all and were penalised accordingly. In all the bitches there was only one undershot mouth.
I totally agreed with the dog judge for best in show, the dog stood out for us both, in movement, confirmation and type. Judge Hilary Gilpin
Junior - Dog /
First Place
Name at show: Ridgebow Two Hoots
Placing Critique
Strong head and powerful jaws, nice length of neck leading down to strong shoulders and a good level top line and tail set, ribs carried well back, true hind angulation with very tight feet
The Scottish Kennel Club
25th Aug 2018
Judge: Mr. Ian Higham (Comberdown)
What a privilege it was to judge my breed again at the Scottish Kennel Club. I am very grateful for the invite.
I would really like to thank all of those who exhibited their dogs under me and for putting trust in my opinion and my integrity. I would also like to thank my very capable stewards Kate Scott and Lindsay O’Neill, who were very confident, efficient and jovial on the day.
My general findings were that the breed is showing a good in-depth quality. Movement is still a bit erratic here and there as one would expect, but I saw plenty of good borders on the day. However, I did notice that thickness of skin was not as evident as in the past and I honestly only found a few really good thick pelts. I found one dog had a very slight deformity near the very end of its tail. I had one or two level bites and one that obviously had recently had a tooth come out and its owner, very honestly, informed me of what had happened. None of these dogs were penalised in any way re mouths. Some exhibits were tallish but spannable, however, there were some that were two heavy in chest and had a rounder shape rib rather than the correct ‘v’ or heart shape.
As usual I was looking for borders that fulfilled the type points as laid out in our standard, combined with correct physical construction to be able to cover the ground well as they would have had to when our standard was written all those years ago.
RDCC
Name at show: Ridgebow Two Hoots
Junior - Dog /
First Place
Name at show: Ridgebow Two Hoots
Placing Critique
A very attractive grizzle dog. I believe he is of an ideal size to make him very versatile in a working environment. Good tight harsh coat. Moves well with drive from his well muscled rear quarters and has a straight front. Easily spanned. He is an eye catching Border in profile with a very good top line and tail set. Lovely head. Excellent teeth and bite with strong muzzle. I thought he was a smashing young border and a very good example. Very little between this one and the CC winner. RDCC.
City of Birmingham
1st Sep 2018
Judge: Mr Dave Matthews (Tojamatt)
Many thanks to City of Birmingham Canine Society for giving me the opportunity to judge this show , my first Championship show, may I also thank every exhibitor who entered the show ,and also my steward Alan Tomlinson for his help.
I enjoyed my day ,I was very pleased with the entry,I had some difficult decisions to make on the day .
The ring was of a good size and that gave the exibits the chance to get into there stride,front movement on some exibits was a little loose ,but I had some real good movers, a few low set tails are creeping in to the breed ,Iwas pleased with the condition and presentation of the exhibits ,I found some really good pelts and coats, I am pleased to say the the day passed without a cross word from any of the exibits ,I was pleased with heads and expression , some foreign expressions had been appearing in recent years.
May I again thank you all for the chance to go over your dogs , and for the way you accepted my decisions .
DCC
Name at show: Ridgebow Two Hoots
Best Junior
Name at show: Ridgebow Two Hoots
Junior - Dog /
First Place
Name at show: Ridgebow Two Hoots
Placing Critique
Masculine red dog Excellent head short strong muzzle with big teeth, nice dark eye giving excellent expression with good ear set, length of neck flowing into good shoulders flat ribs easily spanned with straight front and neat feet. Shown in harsh double coat with thick loose pelt. Level topline with well set on short thick carroty tail. Moved with drive and purpose. A really balanced dog of good size presented in hard fit condition DCC.
Darlington Championship Show
14th Sep 2018
Judge: Mr Chris Wallace (Hobholt)
My thanks to Darlington Dog Show Society for the opportunity to judge my first Championship Show and to the exhibitors for bringing your Borders’. My stewards John and Carol were very helpful and kept the ring well organised. Despite feeling somewhat nervous before judging started I thoroughly enjoyed the day and thank the exhibitors for accepting my decisions.
Our standard mentions moderate 4 times in its current form, it also provides guidance on size (weight) and body (spanning). I mention these points as there were a surprising number of Borders’ that were impossible to span, were too deep in chest, big, heavy and exaggerated in a number of areas. Movement became a key criteria when placing my Borders along with being moderate and not exaggerated. A lot of Borders were “Knitting” in front movement or flicking their wrists outwards, probably best described as erratic compared to the Borders that moved well. Mouths were good overall, one chipped tooth which was of no consequence. Coats and pelts were excellent overall, and the dogs were complete.
Overall, we have a number of promising youngsters coming through and it’s unfortunate judges only have two “tickets” to hand out.
Junior - Dog /
Second Place
Name at show: Ridgebow Two Hoots
Placing Critique
Gr&T, different type to 1, shorter in leg and slightly longer in back, but full of quality, great head, dark eye, nice v shaped ears, in full, thick double coat, loose thick pelt. Moved OK, but preferred front movement of 1 today
Class Critique
All 5 placed juniors have qualities that will stand them all in good stead for future success.
Yorkshire, Lancashire & Cheshire Border Terrier Championship Show
30th Sep 2018
Judge: Mr David Fryer (Irton)
My thanks to the Club for an enjoyable day; and to my stewards Kevin and Julie who ensured that all flowed smoothly and that my only task was to judge the dogs. Thanks also to the rest of the committee and helpers who ensured a well run show. I was well pleased with the entry; real quality beyond the available cards in many classes. I had no bad mouths (a few lost and broken teeth, not a major problem to me); but quite a few with small teeth in a technically perfect bite. All males were entire. I had expected (from recent ringside observation) to find front movement, in particular, a problem; so was pleasantly surprised in the entry on the day in this respect. However, too many of the dogs did not have the construction and fitness to appear able to move efficiently over rough ground all day. Coats were variable, most being well prepared and tidy; pelts, on the whole, were good, but feet were often weak with thin pads.
DCC
Name at show: Ridgebow Two Hoots
Best In Show
Name at show: Ridgebow Two Hoots
Junior - Dog /
First Place
Name at show: Ridgebow Two Hoots
Placing Critique
nicely shaped youngster, well angulated both ends. Good strong head with keen eye and expression. Good neck flowing into correct shoulder, nice legs and feet; well ribbed back, good rear angulation, nice hocks., coat and pelt excellent. Shown very fit. Earned the DCC on his overall type, balance and totally correct and driving movement; BIS, a close decision clinched by state of coats on the day.
The Scottish Border Terrier Club Championship Show
10th Nov 2018
Judge: Mrs Charlotte Archibald (Tweedburn)
My sincere thanks to the Scottish Border Terrier Club for inviting me to judge their Championship show, one of my favourites. Also my thanks to the exhibitors for allowing me the privilege to judge their dogs.
My main concern is size and weight, it really does matter, there were a number of exhibits that were too heavy/big, and at the other end of the spectrum, not enough muscle/bone/condition, which is essential for a working dog. However, I was very happy with the main winners, and both line ups.
Junior - Dog /
First Place
Name at show: Ridgebow Two Hoots
Placing Critique
grizzle, just the right size, easily spanned, little stop, big white teeth, strength in jaw, plenty of substance and muscle, well presented, moved very well, best mover in class.
Lancashire Sporting Terrier Open Show
1st Dec 2018
Judge: Mrs Alison Matthews (Tojamatt)
My thanks to the committee for the appointment to judge here and huge thanks to my stewards Julie North, the lovely Lucy and Rose being super efficient and helpful.
Huge thanks to everyone that entered today giving an entry of great quality.
My B.O.B. is a bitch I have long admired but never had the good fortune to go over.
The winner of open being from the same kennel, I can say what pleasure it was to see them both today. Giving me a very hard decision between them. The second point I must make is that this is a kennel built by judicious breeding and to have the quality they have throughout has to be applauded.
Huge congratulations to Debbie Lorraine getting BEST PUP IN SHOW with the lovely Daisy.
Open /
First Place
Name at show: Ridgebow Two Hoots
Placing Critique
Gorgeous boy with a lovely expressive head of good proportion and nice dark eye, and a good set of big teeth. Good in shoulder and rib not the length of his Kennelmate but very nicely proportioned. Level topline and lovely short tail well set on. Just coming into coat, with a nice tight front. Moved well. Today his Kennelmate for me just had the edge.
Ladies Kennel Association
16th Dec 2018
Judge: Mrs. K. Wilkinson (Otterkin)
Thanks to the exhibitors for a super entry of Border Terriers. As I repeatedly say, the shows are about the dogs and the exhibitors and are not held for the benefit of the judges, so I appreciated the honour of going over your dogs. Thanks also to the ring stewards Angie Feildsend and Andrea Caudrelier who kept everything flowing smoothly so that we finished in good time. With an entry of 148 dogs making 159 entries, we had the highest entry in the Terrier Group and what a lovely entry it was that awaited me on 16th December. As my finalists came into the ring for each set of CCs, I thought "I like all these!!"
After the show was over, I was told that the four dogs I had brought together at the top of the ring, when deciding on the Dog CC, were all related to one dog and in fact three of them were by that same dog, one I have often referred to in the past when discussing stud dogs with people, as a dog who consistently puts breed type on his progeny, so I was thrilled to be told that Ch Grindelvald In Full Cry JW sired three of the dogs and was the great grandsire of the fourth and to confirm that in the catalogue later. Congratulations to Mrs Margaret Bailey on breeding and owning a dog who clearly puts his breed type stamp on his progeny.
Unless something changes drastically with the Judges Competency Framework, this will be my last General Championship Show appointment and so, when asking for the name of the dog to whom I had awarded the CC and Best of Breed at the end when I was filling in the Award Cards, it was fitting that I then found out his name was Dassett Last Waltz JW. So pleased to later see him pulled out in the shortcut in the Terrier Group. Good luck for the future.
Yearling - Dog /
Second Place
Name at show: Ridgebow Two Hoots
Placing Critique
Stronger dog, a little longer in foreface than required, but his other overall qualities outweighed that consideration today and I liked his small dark eye. Excellent movement both ways, on small, tight catlike feet. Tail coming straight off the top of his back.
Yorkshire, Lancashire & Cheshire Border Terrier Club Open Show
26th Jan 2019
Judge: Mr Bob Blackley (Vaevictus)
It was an honour and pleasure to Judge at this great club show, I would like to thank the officers and committee for inviting me, also a big thank you to all the exhibitors, my entry was fantastic full of quality, I’m sorry but some really good dogs were not in the top honours today. I thought the bitches in general were of better quality than the dogs which is good for the breed, and in the dogs, I also noticed some exhibits were lacking coat, a sign of Crufts approaching, but in general they were good.
Reserve Best Dog
Name at show: Ridgebow Two Hoots
Open - Dog /
First Place
Name at show: Ridgebow Two Hoots
Placing Critique
Excellent fit dog with a good head, ears and expression, excellent construction, well balanced, spannable, moved well both ways with good reach and drive holding a good topline and tailset, didn’t put a foot wrong, good coat and pelt.
The Border Terrier Club Open Show
23rd Feb 2019
Judge: Ms Tina Jones (Otterholme)
May I take the opportunity to thank the Club and its members for inviting me to judge at this show, and for the super warm hospitality I received. Special thanks to my ring stewards Carolyn Richardson and Janice Johnson, for being so efficient and keeping me on track.
I would like to say a huge thank you to the exhibitors for giving me the opportunity to go over their dogs, this was a real honour and I thoroughly enjoyed my day.
A few observations from the day, I felt rear movement on the whole was good but a few lacked the drive that I looked for, whilst in others it was their elevated front action that indicates an upper arm that is shorter than ideal. Today I saw too many that were far too wide in front, lacking the narrowness to go to ground. I like to see feet that are tight with a good thick pad so vital in an earth dog, many were lacking in this important trait.
Heads which are such a defining aspect of this breed, varied greatly, I found some too exaggerated and coarse for my liking, whilst others were narrow and somewhat snipey in muzzle, neither are correct.
Today I found coats at all stages, perhaps a sign that Crufts was not far around the corner, so perhaps not the best month to find a thick double jacket, so I found myself forgiving a lack of coat if the construction and balance I look for was there.
I found temperaments superb, dentition all good and all dogs entire. I felt the depth of quality was in the bitches, and in some classes I was spoilt for choice. Both puppy bitch classes were high in quality, and I look forward to seeing how they mature.
I am always mindful to judge fit for function, and I was happy that my winners fitted that bill.
Limit - Dog /
First Place
Name at show: Ridgebow Two Hoots
Placing Critique
liked his size, and found him balanced and unexaggerated throughout, just right for bone without losing substance. Pleasing in head with strong jaw, nice amount of fill under eyes, good length of neck flowed into clean, well placed shoulders ,correct in upper arm, good length of rib, firm topline, strong loin, into well muscled hindquarters, movement in profile was excellent , economical with free easy stride with plenty of rear drive. Presented in a harsh jacket with ample amount of undercoat. and pelt. His fit and hard condition completed the picture nicely.
Crufts
9th Mar 2019
Judge: Mrs Trak Fryer (Irton)
A very great thank you to the exhibitors for giving me such a superb entry, I hope that I did it justice. My thanks must also go to my Stewards who worked very hard to keep the classes moving well.
This was a very challenging entry with some very big classes filled with quality dogs all the way through, there were no easy decisions. I tried to pull out all the dogs that I felt were in contention to give those exhibits a closer look. This meant that those out of coat or condition paid the penalty. particularly in the upper classes many super quality dogs had to go out without a place - I just didn't have enough cards.
On the plus side all the exhibits were good tempered and happy in the ring. Most dogs came with a good coat on and a decent pelt. There were plenty of good heads and neat well balanced Borders, the key to the Standard. The Breed Standard asks for a dog that can run, requiring heart and lung room, and that can go to ground, requiring a good rib carried back without exaggerated angulations, a rather challenging blueprint to fit into a fairly small package.
There were quite a number with rather heavy or thin ears, round eyes and I was surprised to find quite a number of “winter noses”; I did not necessarily penalise these if the rest was OK. There were a number of heads with weak jaws framed by sticky out ears, a worrying trend. There were some heavy bitches well beyond spannable.
The biggest problem is movement with the forward angulations mostly at fault, this has been a problem in the breed for some time but there are now a significant number with tied in fronts waving their forelegs about, a new variant!
A well made dog will just cover the ground without any fuss or flipping – a joy to see. In order to do this they also need a reasonable build of muscle and it is a constant concern of mine that so many that come into the show ring do not have this.
Yearling - Dog /
Third Place
Name at show: Ridgebow Two Hoots
Placing Critique
A better size of dog, good head, tight feet and OK for bone. He was moving very well. Just didn’t seem to have the balance of the first two today, looking a bit stuffy.
Class Critique
A big, rather difficult class where a lot of good dogs had to go cardless, the first three here were outstanding young dogs.
Whitehaven and District Canine Association Open Show
17th Mar 2019
Judge: Mrs M Armstrong (Carrickfarm)
Thank you to the Committee of Whitehaven and District Canine Association for inviting me to judge Border Terriers at their Open Show and for the excellent hospitality and the lovely lunch you provided. I had a super entry and thank the Exhibitors for allowing me the privilege to go over their dogs. I enjoyed the day.
Open - Dog /
Third Place
Name at show: Ridgebow Two Hoots
The Border Terrier Club Championship Show
30th Mar 2019
Judge: Mrs Denise Townsend (Llanishen)
Thank you to the officers, committee and members of the Border Terrier Club for awarding the honour of judging this prestigious show and for giving me such a warm welcome. The show had a wonderfully friendly atmosphere and I hope everyone enjoyed the day as much as I did. Many thanks to all exhibitors for their entries, and for allowing me the opportunity to go over their dogs, something I consider a privilege. My stewards Judy and Judith looked after me perfectly and kept everything moving smoothly.
I was very pleased with my winners and with the overall standard of the entry. Some causes for concern included a small number of wry mouths in the early dog classes, exhibits with barely any undercoat and some heads which were lacking strength in their under-jaw.
Yearling - Dog /
Third Place
Name at show: Ridgebow Two Hoots
Placing Critique
Pleasing type with good overall conformation. Lovely harsh coat and thick pelt. Up on his toes and showed well.
National Terrier
6th Apr 2019
Judge: Mr Eddie Houston
My thanks to the Society for inviting me, to my stewards Dave and Pat who kept things moving and most especially to all the exhibitors for entering and allowing me the privilege of going over their dogs.
I was very pleased with my main winners and there was a lot of quality in the puppy classes which should augur well for the future. Temperaments were excellent, all males were entire and there were no serious mouth faults.
On the minus side there were quite a number of animals of both sexes which were up to size and front movement is a real problem throughout the age range. A few dogs were carrying too much weight and a couple could have done with carrying a bit more. There were a number of dogs lacking in muscle-ours is a working breed and an unfit dog would not be able to fulfill the job of a working terrier.
Yearling - Dog /
Second Place
Name at show: Ridgebow Two Hoots
Placing Critique
22 month old dark grizzle. Scored well for size. Typical in head,well balanced and moved with drive.Good coat and pelt.Well shown and presented .
East Anglia Border Terrier Club Championship Show
7th Apr 2019
Judge: Mrs. Nancy Hogg (Raeburnfoot)
I would like to express my thanks to the officers, committee and members for the invitation to judge their championship show. I enjoyed it very much. Special thanks go to my two very able stewards who kept everything running smoothly for me. I appreciated it.
There was a good selection of quality dogs and bitches for me to pick from. Coats on the whole were pleasing. As was size. Temperament too apart from one blip. Some with winter noses, possibly more than I have noticed before. A few with domed skulls which makes for an untypical head. I felt that the depth of quality in the bitch classes outweighed the dogs. Both the puppy bitch classes were a joy. Some lovely pups having to go cardless. Its very encouraging and surely bodes well for the breed.
I was very happy with my main winners. It was a pleasure to award them their honours.
Thank you EABTC.
Yearling - Dog /
Second Place
Name at show: Ridgebow Two Hoots
Placing Critique
Another correct size dog. Slightly longer in muzzle to winner. Narrow. Spans easily. Ribbed well back. Has a really good harsh jacket with thick loose pelt. Excellent rear angulation and moved with drive on tight feet.
Joint Border Terrier Clubs' Championship Show
5th May 2019
Judge: Mrs Su Williams (Hollybridge)
I would like to thank The Border Terrier Club for the invitation & thank my 2 very capable Stewards Carolyn Richardson & Liz Barrett for their help on the day. I would also like to thank those exhibitors who entered under me and who accepted the placing's sportingly. I was pleased to have a number of high quality entries but the down side of that is, some good dogs went card less
Mouths are a bit of a worry as I noticed a few with a tooth or teeth out of line, small teeth and one even undershot. Movement on the whole was good especially in my winners. Coats & Pelts were good too,with just a few thin pelted dogs.
Yearling - Dog /
First Place
Name at show: Ridgebow Two Hoots
Placing Critique
Stood alone but a very worthy winner. He has a lovely balanced outline, nice tail set, moved very well. Head needs to mature a little more but he is a lovely BT & what a happy confident showman
The Scottish Kennel Club
18th May 2019
Judge: Mrs Marylynne Winder (Appleside)
My thanks to the Scottish Kennel Club for giving me the opportunity to judge at this years Championship show, and the exhibitors for giving me the opportunity to go over their dogs. A special thanks to my hard working ring stewards.
Best Of Breed
Name at show: TG4, Ridgebow Two Hoots
DCC
Name at show: Ridgebow Two Hoots
Yearling - Dog /
First Place
Name at show: Ridgebow Two Hoots
Placing Critique
Super head and expression, lovely dark eye, correct body lines, good size & type, good confirmation, excellent shoulder & top line, super carrot-like tail, neat feet, shown in coat and condition, moved soundly. Was pleased to award him DCC & BOB.
Leeds Championship Dog Show
26th Jul 2019
Judge: Mr T Tuck (Nettleby)
Thanks to all exhibitors for providing a really good entry, and thanks also to my calm and efficient steward for helping to make this a thoroughly enjoyable appointment. The heatwave temperature had thankfully dropped and the covered half of the ring provided very comfortable conditions.
I was thrilled with my final line up in dogs and bitches. In particular, I thought the Reserve CC and CC winners were very typical, high quality and honest all round border terriers. It is always very exciting and satisfying to see borders of such a high calibre at the top end of the range.
It is difficult to make generalisations, as strengths and weaknesses varied considerably across the total entry. I found numerous decent, moderately broad heads, some of which had the classic otter-like appearance, strong muzzle and keen expression. Overall size and correct balanced proportions seemed reasonably consistent, and I don’t recall any of the well over-sized and coarser types that one sometimes encounters. I thought hind quarters were good overall, though straight fronts and well laid shoulders were less common. Coats varied, as they always do, though I would have liked to find a few more that combined the really harsh topcoat, good undercoat, and thick pelt. Was this just due to the state of individual coats on the day, or is the weatherproof coat and jacket receiving less attention?
Any of the above observations are, of course, based on the entry on the day and are not necessarily a pronouncement on the breed as a whole!
Open - Dog /
Reserve
Name at show: CH Ridgebow Two Hoots
Yorkshire, Lancashire & Cheshire Border Terrier Club Championship Show
22nd Sep 2019
Judge: Mr A Horner (Stineval)
May I take the opportunity to thank the Club and its members for inviting me to judge at this show, and for the super warm hospitality I received. Special thanks to my ring stewards Carolyn Richardson and Julie North, for being efficient and keeping me on track.
I found no bad mouths and as always in our breed, coats at various stages. Lots of spannable dogs and bitches which I like.
I would like to say a huge thank you to the exhibitors for giving me the opportunity to go over their dogs, this was a real honour and I thoroughly enjoyed my day.
Open - Dog /
First Place
Name at show: CH Ridgebow Two Hoots
Placing Critique
(G/t) Typical head and expression. dark eye, neat ears, good strong teeth. Nicely balanced with flowing lines. Handy size. Well ribbed back. Liked his length of leg and neat tight feet. Not a lot of coat but good thick pliable pelt. Correct shoulders and hind quarters. Covers the ground well on the move.
The Scottish Border Terrier Club Championship Show
9th Nov 2019
Judge: Mrs J Johnson (Ratcheugh)
Firstly my thanks to the Scottish Border Terrier Club for giving me the opportunities to judge their Championship show, the committee for their hospitality and my stewards for keeping me on track. My thanks also to Joyce Martin for giving me memories of the day.
Secondly my appreciation to all exhibitors some who had travelled many miles on a very cold and frosty morning, it was a privilege to go over your dogs and thank you for accepting my decisions.
I was extremely pleased with my main winners, it’s very pleasing to have a class of borders and find one which ticks all your boxes.
Some puppies were in my opinion are too big and some I found difficult to span. I also prefer if handlers allowed the puppy to walk loosely and not strung up, this throws the front movement.
Open - Dog /
Second Place
Name at show: CH Ridgebow Two Hoots
Placing Critique
handy sized border true to type, super head and expression excellent topline and tail set, narrow thoughout, moved correctly, nicely balanced dog.
Ladies Kennel Association
14th Dec 2019
Judge: Mr Mark Lowry (Ravenside)
I would first like to thank all the exhibitors for a lovely entry, and for making the effort to travel to the N.E.C on a dark winter’s morning. There was a variation in breed type to a degree, which is always the case, but I was very happy with both my final lineups and only wish I could hand out more awards.
Open - Dog /
Third Place
Name at show: CH Ridgebow Two Hoots
Manchester Championship Show
18th Jan 2020
Judge: Mrs Jill Stevens (Cobstoneway)
Thank you to the Committee for inviting me to judge at this level for the first time, and also to my very efficient ring steward who kept things running smoothly. I had a lovely day and felt it was a great honour and responsibility. I really appreciated each and every entry, and had some lovely exhibits to go over, the depth of quality in some classes meaning that some nice dogs went cardless. Coats were understandably at different stages, and although this has no bearing on the construction of the dog, a good coat does complete the picture of what is essentially a working terrier.
Open - Dog /
Third Place
Name at show: CH Ridgebow Two Hoots
Blackpool & District Canine Society
26th Jun 2022
Judge: Mrs Trak Fryer (Irton)
Thanks to the exhibitors for a lovely entry, much appreciated in these difficult times. Thanks also to my stewards who not only kept the ring moving well but proved very adept at fielding judging slips, ring cards and prize cards and miscellaneous other bits and pieces flying across the ring in a very blustery wind. I thought it would be better to judge outside, the wind did upset a few dogs and those with a lot of coat were truly blown. The Border is essentially a working terrier that should combine activity with gameness – I thought that worth repeating since some seem to have forgotten it! I managed to find good heads but in general they were not strong, the head and jaw is not a cosmetic addition but an essential part of the terrier’s make up. Feet and pelts were OK but very few could be regarded as really good, again they are an essential feature required for the work the dog was bred for. Coats were all over the place very few being presented in a good sharp deep coat, however most were acceptable.
Movement remains a problem, there were feet flicking out, plaiting in front, bouncing up and down or rocking on the front – all problems with shoulder construction. The best move with that lovely unfussy ground covering drive that is so typical of the breed.
I was surprised to find several exhibits with level bites, I know the standard allows for this but it is undesirable, particularly in young dogs.
Having said all that I did find a good number of excellent very typical dogs, Limit & Open classes in both sexes were excellent and there were some promising puppies coming along.
Open - Dog /
Third Place
Name at show: CH Ridgebow Two Hoots JW
Placing Critique
Nice sized red, good head and eye, good neck & shoulder, good bone, with good feet he moved well, but not in as good a coat as the 1st two.
Leeds Championship Dog Show
22nd Jul 2022
Judge: Mrs J Fawcett (Carrock)
My thanks to the Leeds City & District Canine Association for their kind invitation to judge their Championship show, enabling me to award my first set of Challenge Certificates. Thank you also to my two stewards, Mags & Bob, who kept the ring running smoothly throughout the day which meant we managed to finish by 3pm before the rain came. My biggest thanks go to all the exhibitors for giving me the opportunity to go over their dogs and for the sporting manner in which my decisions were accepted – I had a fantastic entry for a show taking place on a Friday and in the holiday season – I was absolutely delighted.
Just a comment about the ring – the rather large metal tent fixings that took up quite a lot of the ring were a bit of a hazard. However, I believe we managed to work around them well and I was able to see the movement of all the exhibits.
As you would expect, coats were at various stages but on the whole most were acceptable. All dogs were entire, there were no kinked tails and just one or two untidy mouths. When I last judged in November 2019 my main concern was size and this still remains an issue - I was unable to span quite a number of both dogs & bitches on the day and this was reflected in my decisions. Poor front angulation also seems to be an issue – a number of upright shoulders and a lot of very wayward front legs. I thought it also relevant to mention the number of long, thin muzzles, particularly in the younger classes, that seem to be creeping into the breed - Border Terriers should have short, strong muzzles.
That all said, I had some quality dogs to judge – I thoroughly enjoyed my day.
Open - Dog /
Third Place
Name at show: CH Ridgebow Two Hoots JW
Class Critique
A strong class of good quality dogs, again difficult to judge as all different types.
